And the memo offered little new evidence to undercut Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s inquiry into Russia’s disruption campaign, despite Trump’s reported interest in the document as grounds to provoke further public uncertainty about the impartiality of the investigation.
ミュラーの立場を弱めるような新しい証拠は、今回のメモでは殆ど出てこなかった と
Some Republicans and FBI allies bolstered the Democrats' critique.
"This is it?" former FBI director James Comey asked after the memo emerged.
Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), who has joined fellow Republicans in calling for a second special counsel at DOJ to investigate internal misconduct in probes of the Trump and Hillary Clinton campaigns, also said plainly Friday that "nothing in the memo released today undercuts Mr. Mueller’s investigation."
共和党の側の一部も今回のメモ開示には懐疑的な見方
リンジー・グラム連邦上院議員は、今回のメモがミューラー氏の捜査の正当性を覆すものではないと語った
Whether the memo moves public opinion on the DOJ investigation remains to be seen. A Quinnipiac University poll conducted last month found that 55 percent of independent voters view the probe of potential collusion between Russia and Trump's campaign as legitimate, versus 41 percent deeming it a "witch hunt."
今回のメモ公表がトランプにプラスになるか、有権者の反応は分からない Quinnipiacの以前の調査では、無党派の有権者の55%がロシア疑惑への捜査を支持し、 41%が魔女狩りだと見ている 0130名無しさん@お腹いっぱい。2018/02/03(土) 18:35:49.04ID:27job2JG プラスのスレ ハニティwがソースとか舐めてんのか 0131名無しさん@お腹いっぱい。2018/02/03(土) 18:36:57.23ID:0zHXOjdb>>129 トランプが、ロシア疑惑はそもそもでっち上げってツイートを50個くらいすれば、もう誰も太刀打ち出来んだろ。 民主党の論理的な反論が、トランプのレトリックに勝てると思っているなら、それは頭が悪いとしか言いようがない。 0132名無しさん@お腹いっぱい。2018/02/03(土) 18:52:28.64ID:OhIZ8ZS/ モラーの捜査「開始」がヒラリーゲートなのを知っていて「開始」したらしい、 宣誓すれば司法関係者は嘘は言わんはず、ビルクリントン「元」弁護士になるから。 0133名無しさん@お腹いっぱい。2018/02/03(土) 19:06:37.03ID:N32vd+T+ そもそもヒラリーの垂れ込みで ロシア疑惑の捜査が始まった などという事は今回のメモでなんの立証もされてない 0134名無しさん@お腹いっぱい。2018/02/03(土) 19:11:13.13ID:OhIZ8ZS/ 宣誓すればFBIとかは嘘をいうと弁護士資格がなくなるから、あせってたんだろ。 「知っていましたか」と聞かれれば「知っていた」と答えるはず。 0135エルトゥールル ◆hbayNPWdX7g8 2018/02/03(土) 19:32:24.01ID:ipV91HDi REPUBLICAN ‘RELEASE THE MEMO’ CONSPIRACY IGNORES HOW DIFFICULT IT IS TO GET A FISA WARRANT http://www.newsweek.com/how-get-fisa-warrant-797323
共和党の「暴露メモ」はFISA令状の取得が難しい事を無視している
The Republican memo that reportedly accuses the Justice Department of deceit in its effort to wiretap a Trump campaign aide apparently ignores one key detail : It is very hard to get such surveillance warrants.
“It’s extremely difficult, and, in fact, the goal [inside the FBI] is to hold yourself to a high enough standard so that you won’t ever get rejected by the court,” said Renato Mariotti, who was a federal prosecutor in Chicago from 2007 to 2016 and is now running for attorney general in Illinois.
Evidence that a suspect spoke with a foreign government isn’t enough to get a warrant from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court. The FBI still needs to demonstrate that the suspect knew he or she was helping the foreign government, and not just chatting innocuously. There has to be evidence of some action.
Once evidence is gathered, a warrant application is written by lawyers in an FBI field office before getting sent to headquarters in Washington for more approvals. After that, there’s one more check
で、証拠が収集されてもワシントンの本部に送って終わりではなく、更にチェックがある 0136名無しさん@お腹いっぱい。2018/02/03(土) 19:46:02.75ID:65/lrGuZ 民主党終わったな 0137エルトゥールル ◆hbayNPWdX7g8 2018/02/03(土) 19:50:10.98ID:ipV91HDi REPUBLICAN ‘RELEASE THE MEMO’ CONSPIRACY IGNORES HOW DIFFICULT IT IS TO GET A FISA WARRANT http://www.newsweek.com/how-get-fisa-warrant-797323
“Specifically, the goal of these procedures is to ensure accuracy with regard to: 1) the facts supporting probable cause; 2) the existence and nature of any related criminal investigations or prosecutions involving the subject of the FISA; 3) the existence and nature of any prior or ongoing asset relationship between the subject and the FBI,” he wrote.
Only after all that does a senior Senate-confirmed Department of Justice official signoff?and the warrant request package is finally sent to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court.
In the case of Carter Page, the contentious memo written by Republican congressman Devin Nunes apparently claims that the evidence used for the surveillance warrant came from the Steele Dossier, which consists of opposition research material on the Trump campaign originally funded by a Republican challenger and later continued with Democratic backing. The dossier includes a series of claims about Trump and his aides’ relationships with Russian intelligence (and, possibly, its prostitutes). The Justice Department hasn’t publicly commented on the warrant request, but some officials and former officials have said that the dossier was not the basis for the warrant.
いわゆる売春婦乱交の主張などは令状許諾の根拠ではないと関係者は述べている
If a part of Steele’s dossier was presented to the FISA court judge, that portion would have been validated and approved by several layers of agency bureaucracy, according to Justice Department policy.
司法省だけではなく議論を要する部分についてはいくつかの管轄艦長のチェック及び認可を受けている 0138名無しさん@お腹いっぱい。2018/02/03(土) 19:52:29.37ID:tYxEISxT>>136 それしかいえんのかこの猿 知識がないもんだから 0139名無しさん@お腹いっぱい。2018/02/03(土) 19:55:20.45ID:OhIZ8ZS/ メモで、今まで噂だったことが一歩進んだんでしょう、 (委員会内で)宣誓された証言があるのでしょうか。 0140名無しさん@お腹いっぱい。2018/02/03(土) 20:03:46.85ID:OhIZ8ZS/ FISAの令状を取得するときにヒラリーゲートを「隠していた」のか、「知らなかったのか」 というと、「隠していた」らしい。 0141エルトゥールル ◆hbayNPWdX7g8 2018/02/03(土) 20:04:25.88ID:ipV91HDi REPUBLICAN ‘RELEASE THE MEMO’ CONSPIRACY IGNORES HOW DIFFICULT IT IS TO GET A FISA WARRANT http://www.newsweek.com/how-get-fisa-warrant-797323
If the Nunes memo is accurate, it would mean that Justice Department officials signed off on a flawed request to surveil Carter Page, and also that a judge would have either been deceived by the application or simply approved it blindly.
That said, judges rarely deny requests for warrants, approving more than 99 percent, according to The Wall Street Journal. In 33 years the court had rejected only 11 of 33,900 requests.
On a first application, the Department of Justice lawyer needs to demonstrate that the agency is likely to find information tied to the suspected crime through the surveillance. On a renewal, the lawyer has to show that it got information corroborating the original warrant and that further access would lead to further evidence.
Before the original 90 days has expired, a renewal application is submitted to a judge, though often not the same judge who heard the original request, given the rotation on the surveillance court. If approved, the FBI would get another 90 days.
According to reports on the warrant tied to the Page surveillance, the warrant was extended after President Donald Trump took office. Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, who was appointed by Trump, reportedly signed off on the renewal request, allowing lawyers to proceed with submitting a request to a judge.
GOP,DEMの差がジョーンズ、ムーアくらいになってきたし。 0145名無しさん@お腹いっぱい。2018/02/03(土) 20:25:39.57ID:7AJMjpod>>114 そこまで悲観しなくても… 最新のラスムッセンの世論調査では トランプの支持率49% 0146名無しさん@お腹いっぱい。2018/02/03(土) 20:27:00.75ID:6w4OID5M>>143 下院は民主党が取らないと話にならない 上院は全体なら民主が減らす可能性すら出てきた 0147名無しさん@お腹いっぱい。2018/02/03(土) 20:27:26.14ID:tYxEISxT 共和党議員の主張をFOXニュースが騒ぎ プラスのスレみたけどそれだけじゃないか このメモになんの価値があるのか分からん マジで 共和党議員が言ってるだけでなんの証拠にもなってない そういう意見はトランプ馬鹿はフェイクニュースだとかなんとかいうんだろうが 0148名無しさん@お腹いっぱい。2018/02/03(土) 20:28:06.07ID:7AJMjpod ドイツ系の多いペンシルバニア、オハイオなどがトランプの反EUスタンスに失望してるだけ 0149名無しさん@お腹いっぱい。2018/02/03(土) 20:30:59.70ID:7AJMjpod トランプはNY出身でかつてのF.D.ルーズベルトそっくり親露派 0150エルトゥールル ◆hbayNPWdX7g8 2018/02/03(土) 20:31:48.96ID:ipV91HDi>>146 大事なのは民主党と共和党の投票トレンドの差 連邦下院は毎日情勢を見て行かないといけない(引退議員の動向、ゲリマンダーの行方など激変している為)だが 連邦上院は選挙が近くなるまで分からない ある程度スルーしてもいいかと 2006や2014見れば分かるけどこの時点で上げたり下げたりする必要はないかと 0151名無しさん@お腹いっぱい。2018/02/03(土) 20:32:41.67ID:7AJMjpod ドイツ系アメリカ人でありながらドイツ嫌い 0152エルトゥールル ◆hbayNPWdX7g8 2018/02/03(土) 20:39:58.19ID:ipV91HDi Whether the memo moves public opinion on the DOJ investigation remains to be seen. A Quinnipiac University poll conducted last month found that 55 percent of independent voters view the probe of potential collusion between Russia and Trump's campaign as legitimate, versus 41 percent deeming it a "witch hunt."
Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.) on Friday admitted that did not personally review the applications for surveillance warrants that provide the basis of the classified memo released earlier in the day.
Nunes said he relied on the review of committee member Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.).
“No, I didn’t,” Nunes told Fox News’s Bret Baier, when asked if he saw the applications.
Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.), the ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, torched Nunes earlier in the week for not reading all the materials involved in creating the document. He acknowledged the agreement Nunes referenced, but blasted the chairman for sending someone else to read the documents.
"The chairman never bothered to go read these underlying materials," Schiff told CNN's Anderson Cooper on Monday. "After months and months of making this argument that the FBI and DOJ are involved in some sort of conspiracy, he didn't even bother to read the materials himself."
The memo highlights the investigators’ interest in Trump campaign foreign policy adviser Carter Page in the investigation, alleging that information used in October 2016 to obtain permission to monitor his activities was politically tainted.
But the memo also points to another individual with ties to the Trump campaign, George Papadopolous, as a key factor in the instigation of the FBI’s Russia probe.
Papadopoulos, a young foreign-policy consultant who pleaded guilty in the special counsel’s investigation, is now reported to be a cooperating witness.
“The Papadopoulos information triggered the opening of an FBI counterintelligence investigation in late July 2016 by FBI agent Pete Strzok,” the memo noted in its final paragraph.
That timing is significant, given the FBI did not seek authorization to conduct surveillance on Page until three months later, on Oct. 21, 2016.
Democrats quickly seized on that sentence to assert the Republicans’ own memo shows the Russia investigation would be underway with or without the surveillance of Page
つまりページの捜査はロシア疑惑の捜査の初動ではなかった事は ヌネス・メモ自体が認めている 0194エルトゥールル ◆hbayNPWdX7g8 2018/02/04(日) 17:50:09.39ID:lraI/86S “The Papadopoulos information triggered the opening of an FBI counterintelligence investigation in late July 2016 by FBI agent Pete Strzok,” これはヌネス・メモの一文(実際に読んでレスしている人は少ないだろうけど)
It also underscores what Democrats say is a disconnect between intelligence documents that have not been made public and the conclusions Republicans have drawn from them.
“Unlike almost every House member who voted in favor of this memo’s release, I have actually read the underlying documents on which the memo was based,” said Senate Intelligence Committee Vice Chairman Mark R. Warner (D-Va.). “They simply do not support its conclusion.”
Even some Republicans cautioned against drawing too broad a conclusion from the memo and what it alleged about the initial motivations of the investigators.
“As I have said repeatedly, I also remain 100 percent confident in Special Counsel Robert Mueller. The contents of this memo do not ? in any way ? discredit his investigation,” Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.) tweeted. Gowdy, who announced Wednesday that he will not run for reelection, is an influential voice, given he led the politically charged House probe into the 2012 attack on the U.S. mission in Benghazi, Libya.
'In 2016, the Russian government engaged in an elaborate plot to interfere in an American election and undermine our democracy,' McCain wrote in the statement.
'While we have no evidence that these efforts affected the outcome of our election, I fear they succeeded in fueling political discord and dividing us from one another.'
Released around the same time that the memo was declassified, the Arizona Republican characterized the memo and its release as 'partisan attacks' on the FBI and the Department of Justice.
Our nation's elected officials, including the President, must stop looking at this investigation through the warped lens of politics and manufacturing partisan sideshows,' McCain said.
He added that such 'partisan attacks' on the FBI and the Department of Justice 'serve no American interests, no party's, no president's, only Putin's'.
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