これサンドクリークの虐殺やったシビングトン大佐の言葉だ 0287国連な成しさん04/05/24 20:55ID:IFv9w5vk 北方シャイアン族サンドクリーク虐殺史蹟プロジェクト http://www.sandcreek.org/0288国連な成しさん04/05/24 21:49ID:oB14ml2k ロイターの報道。後半部ではキミットが電波飛ばしまくっている。 Iraq Wedding Film Challenges U.S. on Air Strike http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&ncid=578&e=5&u=/nm/20040524/ts_nm/iraq_dc On Saturday, General Kimmitt said no children were killed, though footage of funerals taken by the Arab television channel Al-Arabiya on Wednesday showed at least one child being buried. 「死んだ子供などいない」 あれは子供に変装したテロリストだ、とでも言うつもりだろうか? Among items found at the house were weapons, binoculars modified for aiming artillery, significant amounts of medical equipment, fake identity cards and the machines for making them, "terrorist training manuals" and suspected cocaine, he said. 「テロリストマニュアルやコカインらしきものが見つかった」 攻撃直後に捜索に行って見つけたと言っていたのは、銃と現金とパスポート等だけじゃなかったか? 0289国連な成しさん04/05/24 21:58ID:???>>288 あと宝石があったような。
GEN. KIMMITT: As we said, we believe there were a handful of women there at that location. We believe six were killed. We acknowledged that in all of our reports. We don't believe that there were any children killed. Still no reports, and we've gone back to the soldiers involved in this; still no reports of any children being killed.
Q Have you matched the footage at all to this area? I mean, does it appear to have been taken there?
GEN. KIMMITT: No, in fact, as I understand, the film was taken in Ramadi -- that they had brought all the bodies from that location over to Ar Ramadi. That was my understanding. But nonetheless, none of the geography in those videos matched the geography of this open area.
Now, having said that, there are still some inconsistencies. We still remain open-minded about this. We will continue to look into everything that is provided to us in the way of evidence. 0290国連な成しさん04/05/25 01:35ID:???>>243 テロリストとは、弱者であるにもかかわらず、虐殺し、略奪する連中のことを言います。 0291国連な成しさん04/05/25 01:49ID:??? ↑ 頭わるそう>>2900292国連な成しさん04/05/25 05:15ID:???>>290 おまえのようなのを、珍米っていうんだよ。 しかも、テロリストの精神的支援者という、腐りきったクズでもあるな。 0293国連な成しさん04/05/25 07:24ID:??? こっちにも貼っとく。
[駐留米軍匿名高官] 「この出来事について我々は何も否定はしていない。 我々は、早朝の攻撃中に結婚式や祝賀会が進行中 であったとは依然信じていない。 それ以前に何らかの式典が行われていた可能性はあるか? もちろん」 "We have not denied anything about this incident. We still don't believe there was a wedding going on, or a wedding party going on, when we hit in the early morning hours. Could there have been some sort of celebration going on earlier? Certainly," the official said.
水曜にラマディ市内で撮影された APTN のビデオには結婚式への攻撃で死んだとされる女性と子供の埋葬 を映し出している。 米軍はこの作戦で多くとも6人の女性が死んだかもしれないと語っている。 APTN footage taken on Wednesday in the city of Ramadi shows the burials of women and children who allegedly died in the wedding attack. The U.S. military has said up to six women may have died in its operation. 0294国連な成しさん04/05/25 08:09ID:XjKAbw02 Coalition stands by attack after 'wedding video' evidence BY ASSOCIATED PRESS
A wedding video showing Iraqi men and children celebrating is being presented as evidence that civilians, not insurgents, were killed by a deadly US helicopter strike last week.
The video, given to Associated Press Television News (APTN) by a cousin of the groom, would appear to be corroborated by other video evidence gathered by APTN on the day after the attack.
----- ----- At the weekend the US military insisted that they did not hit a wedding party.
"There was no evidence of a wedding: no decorations, no musical instruments found, no large quantities of food or leftover servings one would expect from a wedding celebration," General Kimmitt said on Saturday, before the video was released.
However, video evidence from ATPN shows fragments of musical instruments, pots and pans, and brightly coloured beddings used for celebrations, scattered around the bombed out tent. 0295国連な成しさん04/05/25 08:10ID:XjKAbw02 General Kimmitt said that US troops who swept through the area found rifles, machine guns, foreign passports, bedding, syringes and other items that suggested the site was used by foreigners infiltrating from Syria.
The videotape showed no weapons, although they are common among rural Iraqis. He added: "There may have been some kind of celebration. Bad people have celebrations, too."
In the video, a bride arrives in a white pickup truck and is quickly ushered into a house by a group of women. Outside, men recline on brightly coloured silk pillows, relaxing on the carpeted floor of a large goat-hair tent as boys dance to tribal songs.
The wedding videotape shows a dozen white pickup trucks speeding through the desert escorting the bridal car decorated with colorful ribbons.
The bride wears a Western-style white bridal dress and veil. The camera captures her stepping out of the car but does not show a close-up. The men later move to the porch when darkness falls, apparently taking advantage of the cool night weather. 0296国連な成しさん04/05/25 08:11ID:XjKAbw02 Children, mainly boys, sit on their fathers' laps; men smoke an Arab water pipe, finger worry beads and chat with one another. It looks like a typical, gender-segregated tribal desert wedding.
As expected, women are out of sight, but according to survivors, they danced to the music of Hussein al-Ali, a popular wedding singer hired for the festivities. Mr al-Ali was buried in Baghdad on Thursday.
As the musicians played, young men milled about, most dressed in traditional white robes. Young men swayed in tribal dances to the monotonous tones of traditional Arabic music.
Two children a boy and a girl held hands, dancing and smiling. Women are rarely filmed at such occasions, and they appear only in distant glimpses.
General Kimmitt has denied finding evidence that any children died in the raid although a "handful of women", perhaps four to six, were "caught up in the engagement".
Kimmitt again showed pictures of items the military said it found at the attack site, including machine guns, rounds of ammunition, a Sudan Airways plane ticket, medical gear, a Sudanese passport and battery packs associated with improvised explosive devises.
APの記者は、米軍の言い分をあまり相手にしていないようだ。 U.S. officials have not given a complete breakdown of the number and types of weapons seized at the site of the attack in the desolate village of Mogr el-Deeb, about five miles from the Syrian border. 「米軍は武器の種類や数を完全には示していない」 Ownership of guns is considered a mark of manhood here, and rural Iraqis routinely own an array of weaponry. Weapons proliferated here after arsenals were looted following the collapse of the former regime and the loosening of controls along the borders. 「当地では銃を持つのは一人前の男のしるしとみなされるし、 田舎のイラク人は武器をたくさん持つ習慣がある。 旧体制の崩壊で武器庫が略奪されたり国境管理が緩く なった結果、武器が増えた。」
記事の最後は、死んだ音楽家の姉妹の言葉として、 "Is it possible not to be able to distinguish between a wedding and a base for fighters?" asked Hoda, one of the musicians' four sisters. 「結婚式と武装集団基地との区別がつかないなんてことあるの?」 0313国連な成しさん04/05/25 13:52ID:ZwfDxuDA>>312 >「時限爆弾用電池」 単三形?リチウム水素(カメラ用)? 0314国連な成しさん04/05/25 13:52ID:??? 今回の誤爆事件はタリバンがでっちあげた茶番だ。 僕らの友達キミットに罪はない。 0315国連な成しさん04/05/25 13:58ID:???>>313 いい突っ込みだ。信管や起爆装置ならともかく 電池ってのは時限爆弾に使うよりも民生用途の可能性の高いしな。 0316国連な成しさん04/05/25 14:14ID:???>>312の記事 Kimmitt again denied finding evidence that any children died in the raid. "We have witnesses that say no children were killed there. That's why we need to take all that evidence, take all the information, put it before the investigators and let's see where it takes us," he said.
It is a certain level of freedom so they no longer have to be afraid of waking up in the middle of the night and having somebody knock on the door and take them away never to be seen again. 「(米軍の任務はイラク人に自由をもたらすもので、その自由とは)もはや夜中に 何者かのノックで起こされて連れ去られ二度と帰らない、などということが ないレベルの自由です。」
************************************************************************* http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/A6D8B265-4021-4F37-AFE9-664205961B4B.html "All the furniture was slashed with knives, tables and chairs were broken and the windows smashed. They didn't need to break down the front door - I told them I had the key." When Yunis' sister arrived she immediately rushed upstairs to a small cabinet and found it empty - $5,000 in cash, gold and other jewellery, including her wedding ring, were missing. 「家具はすべてナイフで切られた。テーブルもイスも壊され窓は叩き割られた。 私は彼らに鍵があると言ったのだから、玄関のドアを壊す必要はなかったはずだ。」 Yunisの妹は駆けつけるとすぐに二階の小さなキャビネットを見に行った。からっぽに なっていた。現金5000ドルも、金や宝石も結婚指輪もなくなっていた。 *************************************************************************
この強盗団は、ヘルメットをかぶり、迷彩服を着ているらしいぜ、キミットさん。 悪者を退治するのが任務のはずだよなあ。 0328国連な成しさん04/05/26 23:10ID:yghGF7qk>>1 確かね。 まともな頭であったらイランやクウェートを侵略しない。 0329国連な成しさん04/05/26 23:15ID:4GWDnxYI アメリカは核爆弾はいつ使うのだろうか? 今世紀中には、90%以上の確率で使っているかもしれない。 それでも人々はアメリカをまだ支持しているのだろうか? 0330国連な成しさん04/05/27 01:03ID:???>>329 人々とは誰のことか、とか、アメリカとは時の政権のことを指すのか、とか、 ツッコミどころは満載だが、まあ放っておこう。 0331国連な成しさん04/05/27 01:05ID:NwdhHeRo 「結婚式虐殺」に怒ってマハディ民兵に加入する人増加中 Mehdi Army Grows as Tempers Rage Over ‘Wedding Massacre’ http://newstandardnews.net/content/?action=show_item&itemid=406
"There may have been a celebration going on... (but) to suggest that somehow we had a wedding party going on there is not borne out by the facts on the ground." 「何か祝宴をしていたかも知れないが....結婚式が行われていたということは 現地の事実によっては確認されていない」
そして、あろうことか、アブグレイブ虐待問題についても....
"It's because the scale of this was so small that the people of Iraq will forgive us," 「小さなことだから、イラクは我々を許すだろう」
Q Thanks. Mark Stone, ABC. General, any updates on the wedding -- so-called wedding party investigation? Have you managed to iron out the discrepancies that were -- that you had?
GEN. KIMMITT: On the wedding party, the investigation has started. We have two senior officers involved in the investigation. They are starting an investigation. I believe they're about 24 to 48 hours into the investigation. At this point, they haven't come back with any conclusions or determinations, but we'll keep you informed as the investigation moves on.
Q Sorry, did you say it's only 24 -- 48 hours into the investigation?
GEN. KIMMITT: About 48 hours since they have been appointed and have now started the process of the investigation.
Q So it takes quite a long time to get the investigation going?
GEN. KIMMITT: Usually does. Usually takes a couple of days to start the investigations, and I don't think it was any earlier than Tuesday before the final -- before the determination was made that yeah, we need to have an investigation. 0344国連な成しさん04/05/31 20:30ID:HardgWkE ふーん。